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		<title>By: Dan G.</title>
		<link>http://btn.com/2013/02/11/big-ten-geeks-foul/#comment-156919</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michigan&#039;s Last Possession in Regulation:

Intentionally using your fouls to give is not necessarily the best move here.  It makes more sense when you&#039;re up 1 to 3 points.  When the game is tied and you&#039;re on defense, the most likely and best-case scenario is overtime.  In overtime, you&#039;re at a huge advantage if you still have fouls to give and can play very aggressively on defense without having to worry about sending your opponent to the line.

What Bo Ryan said about telling the players to foul only if beaten off the dribble was exactly the right move.  If you&#039;re in a precarious situation, it&#039;s worth burning the foul, but if not, better to save the foul to give for a potential overtime.  Bruesewitz executed it perfectly, but the foul went uncalled.

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Wisconsin&#039;s Last Possession in Regulation:

Intentionally fouling is not necessarily the best move here either.  Wisconsin only had two seconds and had to inbound at the opposite end of the court.  If you foul right away after the inbound pass, almost no time comes off the clock and now instead of under the opposite basket, the Badgers get to inbound from half court with a much better chance of a decent look at three-pointer.

And of course, if you&#039;re looking to foul with so little time left, you have to do it right away; otherwise, you risk fouling the player in the act of shooting.

The fairer criticism would be whether Beilein should&#039;ve defended the inbounder.  I&#039;d answer yes, and he&#039;s now been burned by it twice (admittedly on two ridiculous shots by Turner and Brust).

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Wisconsin&#039;s Last Possession in Overtime:

Yes, clearly, Ryan Evans should not have been shooting those free throws.  As has been discussed, there appeared to have been a miscommunication on the previous foul, with both coaches thinking Berggren was going to the line.  Bo put Evans in to rebound a potential missed free throw, which would&#039;ve been the right move had Wisconsin already been in the bonus.  Unfortunately, he couldn&#039;t be subbed back out without time running off the clock.

Also, you can&#039;t tell the player inbounding the ball in that situation not to pass to him, as that basically gives you three guys to pass to with five defenders on them.  Putting a 40% free throw shooter at the line is still better than risking a turnover.

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Michigan&#039;s Last Possession in Overtime:

This is where I would&#039;ve liked to see Wisconsin use up their fouls to give.  With a three-point lead, the one thing you need to avoid at all costs is fouling someone attempting a three.

Give a foul with 5 or 6 seconds left, and another with 3 or 4 seconds left, and you make it much tougher on Michigan to get off a game-tying shot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michigan&#8217;s Last Possession in Regulation:</p>
<p>Intentionally using your fouls to give is not necessarily the best move here.  It makes more sense when you&#8217;re up 1 to 3 points.  When the game is tied and you&#8217;re on defense, the most likely and best-case scenario is overtime.  In overtime, you&#8217;re at a huge advantage if you still have fouls to give and can play very aggressively on defense without having to worry about sending your opponent to the line.</p>
<p>What Bo Ryan said about telling the players to foul only if beaten off the dribble was exactly the right move.  If you&#8217;re in a precarious situation, it&#8217;s worth burning the foul, but if not, better to save the foul to give for a potential overtime.  Bruesewitz executed it perfectly, but the foul went uncalled.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Wisconsin&#8217;s Last Possession in Regulation:</p>
<p>Intentionally fouling is not necessarily the best move here either.  Wisconsin only had two seconds and had to inbound at the opposite end of the court.  If you foul right away after the inbound pass, almost no time comes off the clock and now instead of under the opposite basket, the Badgers get to inbound from half court with a much better chance of a decent look at three-pointer.</p>
<p>And of course, if you&#8217;re looking to foul with so little time left, you have to do it right away; otherwise, you risk fouling the player in the act of shooting.</p>
<p>The fairer criticism would be whether Beilein should&#8217;ve defended the inbounder.  I&#8217;d answer yes, and he&#8217;s now been burned by it twice (admittedly on two ridiculous shots by Turner and Brust).</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Wisconsin&#8217;s Last Possession in Overtime:</p>
<p>Yes, clearly, Ryan Evans should not have been shooting those free throws.  As has been discussed, there appeared to have been a miscommunication on the previous foul, with both coaches thinking Berggren was going to the line.  Bo put Evans in to rebound a potential missed free throw, which would&#8217;ve been the right move had Wisconsin already been in the bonus.  Unfortunately, he couldn&#8217;t be subbed back out without time running off the clock.</p>
<p>Also, you can&#8217;t tell the player inbounding the ball in that situation not to pass to him, as that basically gives you three guys to pass to with five defenders on them.  Putting a 40% free throw shooter at the line is still better than risking a turnover.</p>
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<p>Michigan&#8217;s Last Possession in Overtime:</p>
<p>This is where I would&#8217;ve liked to see Wisconsin use up their fouls to give.  With a three-point lead, the one thing you need to avoid at all costs is fouling someone attempting a three.</p>
<p>Give a foul with 5 or 6 seconds left, and another with 3 or 4 seconds left, and you make it much tougher on Michigan to get off a game-tying shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Locke</title>
		<link>http://btn.com/2013/02/11/big-ten-geeks-foul/#comment-156475</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Locke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though that&#039;s true - at that point, it&#039;s probably a question of fate. Or maybe chicken or the egg. Had the foul been called, there would not have been a shot there. So then the question is, if he missed the shot he took when he had 20 seconds to shoot, can you really argue he would have made the shot he&#039;d take with 2 or 3 seconds to shoot? As they say, ball don&#039;t lie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though that&#8217;s true &#8211; at that point, it&#8217;s probably a question of fate. Or maybe chicken or the egg. Had the foul been called, there would not have been a shot there. So then the question is, if he missed the shot he took when he had 20 seconds to shoot, can you really argue he would have made the shot he&#8217;d take with 2 or 3 seconds to shoot? As they say, ball don&#8217;t lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://btn.com/2013/02/11/big-ten-geeks-foul/#comment-156414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 04:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The brusier did foul Hardaway, it wasn&#039;t called, totally agree with Luke, if Hardaway missed that shot, the Wolvie fans would have been crying about no foul being called....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The brusier did foul Hardaway, it wasn&#8217;t called, totally agree with Luke, if Hardaway missed that shot, the Wolvie fans would have been crying about no foul being called&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (@mjmajewski)</title>
		<link>http://btn.com/2013/02/11/big-ten-geeks-foul/#comment-156389</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Think the better argument for fouling is when the Badgers were up 3.  No way they should have let Michigan get off a tying shot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think the better argument for fouling is when the Badgers were up 3.  No way they should have let Michigan get off a tying shot.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://btn.com/2013/02/11/big-ten-geeks-foul/#comment-156361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the injury roster at NU, PSU might pull out an away win in March.  Who knows which Wildcat will go down next?

Also, why not foul Wiscy on their inbound passes until they are forced to shot 1 and 1?  Being up by three seems like a decent chance to pick the rebound up even if the shooter makes the first basket.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the injury roster at NU, PSU might pull out an away win in March.  Who knows which Wildcat will go down next?</p>
<p>Also, why not foul Wiscy on their inbound passes until they are forced to shot 1 and 1?  Being up by three seems like a decent chance to pick the rebound up even if the shooter makes the first basket.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Torvik</title>
		<link>http://btn.com/2013/02/11/big-ten-geeks-foul/#comment-156306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bart Torvik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The argument that the Badgers should have fouled at the end of regulation is very speculative. Where is the data that shows that Michigan was not likely to get as good a shot as they got (a very difficult, well-guarded, off-the-dribble three) with just a few seconds off an inbounds play? Cripes, we just saw Illinois get a wide-open layup with less than a second to go. And since overtime was the most likely outcome after that possessions, having fouls in the bank was still valuable for the Badgers. Dakich, for instance, thinks the Badgers should have fouled three times in an attempt to prevent any shot at all. I think it&#039;s madness to believe they could have prevented a shot altogether. And then if all goes well they&#039;re playing OT in the bonus, which is less than ideal. One more point: as the final play in regulation showed, it&#039;s not easy to foul a team that&#039;s actually running offense. It&#039;s completely different than trying to foul when your behind, and the offensive player just waits for the foul. Indeed, Brueswitz really did foul Hardaway, and it just wasn&#039;t called. If Bruesewitz lunges there, there&#039;s a decent chance that Hardaway, an incredible athlete, simply blows by him and gets a wide open shot or forces help and feeds it to someone else who is wide open (possibly even for a layup). Or if Bruesewitz really goes in hard, your opening yourself up to an intentional or flagrant foul call. In sum, this is not an easy scenario, and without real hard stats I think I&#039;m going to side with the basketball genius (Bo Ryan) over the peanut gallery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument that the Badgers should have fouled at the end of regulation is very speculative. Where is the data that shows that Michigan was not likely to get as good a shot as they got (a very difficult, well-guarded, off-the-dribble three) with just a few seconds off an inbounds play? Cripes, we just saw Illinois get a wide-open layup with less than a second to go. And since overtime was the most likely outcome after that possessions, having fouls in the bank was still valuable for the Badgers. Dakich, for instance, thinks the Badgers should have fouled three times in an attempt to prevent any shot at all. I think it&#8217;s madness to believe they could have prevented a shot altogether. And then if all goes well they&#8217;re playing OT in the bonus, which is less than ideal. One more point: as the final play in regulation showed, it&#8217;s not easy to foul a team that&#8217;s actually running offense. It&#8217;s completely different than trying to foul when your behind, and the offensive player just waits for the foul. Indeed, Brueswitz really did foul Hardaway, and it just wasn&#8217;t called. If Bruesewitz lunges there, there&#8217;s a decent chance that Hardaway, an incredible athlete, simply blows by him and gets a wide open shot or forces help and feeds it to someone else who is wide open (possibly even for a layup). Or if Bruesewitz really goes in hard, your opening yourself up to an intentional or flagrant foul call. In sum, this is not an easy scenario, and without real hard stats I think I&#8217;m going to side with the basketball genius (Bo Ryan) over the peanut gallery.</p>
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		<title>By: Locke</title>
		<link>http://btn.com/2013/02/11/big-ten-geeks-foul/#comment-156304</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If you foul Michigan before he takes that shot, then the Wolverines are forced to restart the offense all over again and get a good look within a few seconds. That’s more difficult than Hardaway’s three from the top of the circle.&quot;

That&#039;s where I disagree. I don&#039;t know how you can conclude Hardaway wouldn&#039;t be able to get at least as good of a shot in 2 or 3 seconds as the one he took there. I do think that&#039;ll easily be one of the most difficult shots he&#039;ll take in his college career. But perhaps more importantly, with less time on the clock and a tie game, Michigan can still go for a lob &amp; catch &amp; shoot. As a Badger fan, I&#039;d much rather take my chances with the shot he took than a lob in to him much closer to the hoop. And sure, refs are mostly going to eat their whistles at that point - but a lob in is more difficult to defend without fouling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you foul Michigan before he takes that shot, then the Wolverines are forced to restart the offense all over again and get a good look within a few seconds. That’s more difficult than Hardaway’s three from the top of the circle.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where I disagree. I don&#8217;t know how you can conclude Hardaway wouldn&#8217;t be able to get at least as good of a shot in 2 or 3 seconds as the one he took there. I do think that&#8217;ll easily be one of the most difficult shots he&#8217;ll take in his college career. But perhaps more importantly, with less time on the clock and a tie game, Michigan can still go for a lob &amp; catch &amp; shoot. As a Badger fan, I&#8217;d much rather take my chances with the shot he took than a lob in to him much closer to the hoop. And sure, refs are mostly going to eat their whistles at that point &#8211; but a lob in is more difficult to defend without fouling.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Anderson</title>
		<link>http://btn.com/2013/02/11/big-ten-geeks-foul/#comment-156301</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wisconsin tried to foul.  Watch the tape. Bruesewitz slaps at Hardaway.  If UM had been in bonus, and Hardaway&#039;s shot hadn&#039;t gone, Michigan fans would have been outraged that the refs didn&#039;t call that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wisconsin tried to foul.  Watch the tape. Bruesewitz slaps at Hardaway.  If UM had been in bonus, and Hardaway&#8217;s shot hadn&#8217;t gone, Michigan fans would have been outraged that the refs didn&#8217;t call that.</p>
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		<title>By: leonbon1@comcast.net</title>
		<link>http://btn.com/2013/02/11/big-ten-geeks-foul/#comment-156295</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brusewitz did foul Hardaway across his arm before his shot,  but the refs refused to call it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brusewitz did foul Hardaway across his arm before his shot,  but the refs refused to call it.</p>
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